Excerpts From a Radio Debate With dr Rashad Khalifa
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0:19 We have invited into our studio professor Jeff Clark is with Arizona State University as an
0:24 anthropologist and he maintains that creationism isn't a science and therefore doesn't belong in
0:29 scientific classes. On the other hand, we have Dr. Rashad Khalifa. He is a biochemist and of course
0:38 he takes the opposite stand. And again, we're going through our phones open for your opinions about it.
0:44 It's a hot issue. It is going to be one that is you're going to be viewed with a great deal of
0:49 interest by the people in the United States in the various states and we're going to find out
0:54 how this thing is going to evolve. Well, Bob I have to make a correction here in that I will approach
1:00 the method from a scientific point of view. I agree with most of the things that Jeff
1:05 just mentioned in that science is our means to ascertain what the truth is and we have a
1:12 very powerful tool, objective and scientific tool to ascertain what events in the world are
1:20 probable and what events are not probable and this powerful tool is mathematics. Mathematics
1:26 is the most powerful, the most scientific of all of... of all the sciences and it represents the ultimate in
1:33 scientific proof. I realized that nobody can ever imagine a proof that will prove either
1:42 evolution or creation but there is something new and very exciting and I'm here to present it
1:48 to you. Well, we have... So, in... in essence, we are talking about a mathematically coded message
1:53 from outer space. You... if you read the Carl Sagan's "contact", he is talking about a... novel fictitious
2:00 message from outer space. Now, this is not fiction anymore and that's why I have come here with... you're going to
2:06 have to put that in your pipe and smoke it. Yes, that's right. Yeah, that's right. So far is the particular aspect
2:14 of the Old Testament that's of issue here i.e., the book of Genesis. It's an origin myth like any other
2:21 origin there. It's not a greater nor lesser than... but you keep going back to the Genesis... the book of Genesis existence. The reason
2:29 I say that is I believe that underlies scientific creationism since it's espoused by Henry Morris.
2:35 Now, it's obvious Dr. Khalifa does not agree with Dr. Morris. Sorry, and he's not here right now. I'm debating with you. That's quite
2:43 true but who has written the texts on scientific creationism? Henry Morris and who is the founder of the Institute
2:50 for Creation Research? Henry Morris. How long ago was that? There... there... well he goes back about
2:55 20 years. Well, we're talking about now, Jeff. As soon as this program is over, I will show you irrefutable mathematical evidence that
3:02 we have a document from outer space, from the Creator telling us exactly how things... How are you gonna
3:07 prove that to the Supreme Court for heaven's sake? Absolutely, I'll prove it in any court. All right
3:11 Hold your point. We have to take some calls. This is really getting interesting. Messages
3:14 from outer space... Absolutely... to absolutely prove the creation is a fact. Yes, sir. Is it possible that
3:22 there is some sort of gigantic protoplasm somewhere out in the cosmos with all the
3:28 ingredients and all of this energy that can in fact create things? I'm not talking about an old
3:33 man enrolled with a beard and... and pearly gates and things like that. I'm talking about, is there
3:39 a possibility with our limited knowledge to envision some sort of humongous thing that thinks that can
3:47 create things? Bob, you can envision anything that you want and they have obviously not in
3:53 the strict and rigorous sense. You're not saying this about God... Oh, yes. Gods are... gods are the servants of
3:59 the societies and the cultures that create them. They have no existence apart from the societies
4:05 that... Even if it is proven to you. Well, I'd like to see somebody prove it to me. I'd you like to see it
4:10 because I can show it to you. Bob, there is no escape now that there is a super-intelligent
4:15 out there either through the theory of evolution ironically or the theory of creation.