Group Discussion 17 Dec 1982 By Dr Rashad Khalifa
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0:04 In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
0:30 and he did so many other innovations besides that.
0:32 Yeah, it's quite clear.
0:34 The big problem is another thing, really.
0:36 Yeah, the big problem is the bidaa.
0:38 Oh, thank you.
0:39 And you know that. You know that.
0:41 What he's done in there.
0:43 You know, he, what he does in there,
0:45 he never said, uh,
0:47 that they never stand up for each other,
0:50 but, uh, he really did say that later on.
0:52 You know that?
0:53 Yeah.
0:54 Why is this? What's the, what's the reason?
1:01 But that's the thing, guys, these are the difficulties, you know.
1:05 If you want to perform the Hajj and Umrah, there's no other way to do it, you know.
1:11 Because if you want to do that, you need to be more careful.
1:13 Right.
1:13 Very different.
1:15 Well, that's just what I'm saying.
1:17 You're in Ihram.
1:17 You're in Ihram.
1:19 You're in the state of Ihram, the state of Ihram.
1:22 It's not a lot of laws.
1:23 Because he won't be, or he won't be able to come to the Ka'bah, but he goes in there.
1:28 He goes in there.
1:31 He does the same thing.
1:32 He comes out of there.
1:34 That's true.
1:35 He is Satan.
1:37 He is Satan.
1:38 But he goes in on it.
1:39 The criterion for him.
1:41 No, it wasn't an accident.
1:43 You're not in contact at all.
1:48 Normally, I come to that kind of work.
1:50 But I'm just getting ready.
1:54 I'm not ready by now.
1:58 But I'm only a warner for the world.
2:01 You wait and see what's going to happen.
2:07 I think we need a testimony.
2:11 I think we need a testimony.
2:13 I think we need a testimony.
2:21 No, very confused, Behrouz.
2:24 But the ummah is confused.
2:26 If you try to use a sanad with me...
2:28 That's not submission.
2:30 The first time, Rashad was not...
2:34 Rashad was not reading what they teach, was he?
2:36 No, he didn't know, Bernard.
2:38 He didn't know.
2:40 What did I do with that?
2:42 I just have the book over here.
2:47 This guy, this guy.
2:50 Yeah, I forgot.
2:51 I should have remembered, that would have been...
2:54 I can't think of it now.
2:56 Yeah, exactly.
3:01 I think that's the whole thing.
3:03 I think that's a crooked walk.
3:05 That's what I don't do.
3:08 This person says, "This is why I am devout."
3:13 Like I think.
3:15 It is not just for me to be devout.
3:16 It is for me to be pious.
3:19 It is for me to acknowledge it.
3:22 That is why you are devout.
3:24 Right.
3:26 This is the problem.
3:27 It is.
3:27 Yes! Yes!
3:31 Some of the prayers of the Baha'is say, "Allah, You're the Lord of everything."
3:37 But if He's not with us, He doesn't want us.
3:39 He wants Baháʼu'lláh to be with us.
3:41 Yes!
3:44 That's why I offer my heart to you, because I love you.
3:48 They were very far from the path of God.
3:56 And for example, the Quran tells of a community to which God sent two messengers,
4:01 but they disbelieved them, so He reinforced them with a third, and these three messengers of God spoke to them.
4:08 But these people don't want it.
4:11 This point is related to Arabism.
4:16 The Baha'is never entirely rejected the Quran.
4:22 It is also a holy word.
4:26 However, they invented a lot of superstitions.
4:28 They take a verse and alter it.
4:34 Even that is very bad.
4:35 Because they are using their own ego, they are using their head, not using their brain.
4:42 But instead of doing it for God's sake, they do it to make a name for themselves.
4:48 But in this case, this woman, she was 17 or 18 years old.
4:52 If I had to give this man a name, I would give it to him.
4:55 I mean, from a numerical point of view, it wouldn't fly at all.
4:58 But, what is your view?
5:01 What is your view?
5:02 What is your view?
5:03 Tell me, tell me, tell me.
5:09 Say, Muhammad is from Algeria.
5:12 He goes to the university.
5:14 I was in Algeria.
5:18 No, Algeria.
5:19 Yes, I was in Algeria.
5:21 In 1977.
5:23 1977.
5:26 Very nice.
5:26 A little bit tricky over there.
5:29 Like that?
5:29 Yeah.
5:32 Is that for...
5:34 For a piece of gem?
5:35 For a piece of gem.
5:36 So did you like it?
5:38 Very nice, yes.
5:41 Some people were nice to me.
5:43 Others were not nice.
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5:53 But they gave me a car, and a hotel downtown,
6:13 but they would not allow me to go to a mosque down there.
6:16 So, I refused the car, I refused the hotel, and I went to sleep in the room of the consulate.
6:22 Were they willing to see the...
6:25 They'll be there.
6:26 They'll be there.
6:27 ...about the...
6:31 But you know in the...
6:33 They didn't talk about it. They don't talk about it anymore.
6:37 About the... I don't know.
6:41 In Algeria, you don't say about the...
6:46 I started to hear about him more here than in Algeria.
6:49 So you wrote a book about him?
6:51 I wrote a book.
6:53 I was into his thoughts on the 20th century.
6:56 And I wrote about him.
6:58 In fact, I keep quoting one of his quotes.
7:02 Ism, then Islam.
7:04 I don't know anything about him.
7:08 Did you have some cassettes of him?
7:10 No, I don't have any.
7:12 That's something that I had in some way or another.
7:14 I think I can bring the file to the place.
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7:28 And then I talked to him, and he liked it. And I talked to him, and he said,
7:36 "I'm really worried."
7:43 Then when I came here, I talked with him for one year. Then I wasn't in touch with him for a while.
7:49 One time, news was coming out.
7:50 He was going to appoint a science advisor for two years.
7:55 Okay.
7:56 He was a cabinet advisor.
7:57 Science advisor for two years.
7:59 Then he joined the fabrications.
8:02 Could I borrow this for him and get a copy of it?
8:05 Of course.
8:06 It's not just any kind of book.
8:08 It's yours.
8:10 I'm trying to get him to read my journal.
8:12 He cannot be reached.
8:13 Oh, so I'm wasting my time.
8:16 You have another chance.
8:18 We have a friend in common who knows him, don't we?
8:22 Yeah, we have a friend in common.
8:26 What do you think of him?
8:29 He is an addict, I think.
8:31 He is now trapped by his kith and kin.
8:37 He is addicted, isn't he?
8:39 What position does he have?
8:42 I don't think so.
8:45 He has this habit that he inherited from his father; he prays five times a day and he doesn't know what he's saying.
8:51 He doesn't know how to apply it.
8:56 Not only that, I had further reason. He had this statement written on billboards,
9:08 He had a statement on the billboard throughout the country, and then after making it the
9:20 motto of the nation, he puts it in the official papers of the country, the government papers,
9:26 everything throughout the country.
9:27 And then he discovered it was not a hadith.
9:29 He looked into a thousand hadith a day.
9:31 Fifteen hundred hadith a day.
9:33 Fifteen hundred hadith a day.
9:35 And then he discovered it was not a hadith,
9:37 because I told him.
9:38 I had a dream about him, and in it
9:40 it was said, "Beware of the path
9:43 that you're going on."
9:49 After this,
9:51 he told his advisor, he said,
9:52 "Who said this is a hadith?"
9:55 Then he studied about hadith.
9:59 And then he said, "Maybe you made a disciple out of him at that point."
10:03 Well, he was, but he's not there anymore.
10:06 You made a disciple out of him at the first point, too.
10:09 There was a time when you didn't give a cent for him.
10:11 Yeah.
10:12 But then you made a discovery about him.
10:14 I mean, for some of us, it's just what's coming from the outside.
10:16 This was the beginning right here. I wrote an article here.
10:19 But you know, he's trying to change the context.
10:24 Which one?
10:24 It's all about the beginning.
10:26 It's about the beginning of corruption.
10:27 Change Quran.
10:30 Qadhafi?
10:31 Yeah, he's trying to make some change.
10:34 He said, don't say,
10:37 don't say
10:38 'Qul'.
10:50 Yeah, that's more academic.
10:53 Yeah.
10:54 Well, that's a common thing.
10:55 But they capitalize on it, his enemies.
10:57 No, I've heard that before.
10:59 Yeah, but really, he doesn't want to send us.
11:01 He has no intention of sending us.
11:03 So, you see, this is why, when I hear bad things about all these leaders in the Middle
11:07 East, I wonder how much of it is propaganda.
11:09 A lot of it.
11:10 You know, because the propaganda machines are very active.
11:13 And we get things here sifted through from many sources.
11:18 And you can only judge them in the end.
11:20 History will judge them by their writings and by what they've done.
11:24 So I'm not going to be so fast as Douglas. So what I hear, you know,
11:28 about Qadhafi, some people say you can't buy vegetables now in Libya.
11:31 And then, you know, I've heard other stuff.
11:36 And I'm going to reserve my judgment about Qadhafi until I have studied more
11:40 of what he's read and written and investigated.
11:44 And I've been very attracted to what he's written.
11:47 He developed a systems theory, a methodology that he calls his general approach to Islam.
11:53 He wanted to think on many levels.
11:55 I think it was very easy.
11:58 That's the point.
11:59 Because he's a military person.
12:01 I'm not a political person.
12:03 I would like to listen.
12:06 His writings are really easy.
12:08 Thank you.
12:10 He's good.
12:12 I haven't been there yet.
12:14 Not with my...