Submission

Submission — התמסרות (אסלאם): המקור המוביל בעולם למידע נכון על האסלאם האמיתי, ב-33 שפות

Group Discussion 17 Dec 1982 By Dr Rashad Khalifa

Group Discussion   17 Dec 1982   By Dr  Rashad Khalifa

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0:04 In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

0:30 and he did so many other innovations besides that.

0:32 Yeah, it's quite clear.

0:34 The big problem is another thing, really.

0:36 Yeah, the big problem is the bidaa.

0:38 Oh, thank you.

0:39 And you know that. You know that.

0:41 What he's done in there.

0:43 You know, he, what he does in there,

0:45 he never said, uh,

0:47 that they never stand up for each other,

0:50 but, uh, he really did say that later on.

0:52 You know that?

0:53 Yeah.

0:54 Why is this? What's the, what's the reason?

1:01 But that's the thing, guys, these are the difficulties, you know.

1:05 If you want to perform the Hajj and Umrah, there's no other way to do it, you know.

1:11 Because if you want to do that, you need to be more careful.

1:13 Right.

1:13 Very different.

1:15 Well, that's just what I'm saying.

1:17 You're in Ihram.

1:17 You're in Ihram.

1:19 You're in the state of Ihram, the state of Ihram.

1:22 It's not a lot of laws.

1:23 Because he won't be, or he won't be able to come to the Ka'bah, but he goes in there.

1:28 He goes in there.

1:31 He does the same thing.

1:32 He comes out of there.

1:34 That's true.

1:35 He is Satan.

1:37 He is Satan.

1:38 But he goes in on it.

1:39 The criterion for him.

1:41 No, it wasn't an accident.

1:43 You're not in contact at all.

1:48 Normally, I come to that kind of work.

1:50 But I'm just getting ready.

1:54 I'm not ready by now.

1:58 But I'm only a warner for the world.

2:01 You wait and see what's going to happen.

2:07 I think we need a testimony.

2:11 I think we need a testimony.

2:13 I think we need a testimony.

2:21 No, very confused, Behrouz.

2:24 But the ummah is confused.

2:26 If you try to use a sanad with me...

2:28 That's not submission.

2:30 The first time, Rashad was not...

2:34 Rashad was not reading what they teach, was he?

2:36 No, he didn't know, Bernard.

2:38 He didn't know.

2:40 What did I do with that?

2:42 I just have the book over here.

2:47 This guy, this guy.

2:50 Yeah, I forgot.

2:51 I should have remembered, that would have been...

2:54 I can't think of it now.

2:56 Yeah, exactly.

3:01 I think that's the whole thing.

3:03 I think that's a crooked walk.

3:05 That's what I don't do.

3:08 This person says, "This is why I am devout."

3:13 Like I think.

3:15 It is not just for me to be devout.

3:16 It is for me to be pious.

3:19 It is for me to acknowledge it.

3:22 That is why you are devout.

3:24 Right.

3:26 This is the problem.

3:27 It is.

3:27 Yes! Yes!

3:31 Some of the prayers of the Baha'is say, "Allah, You're the Lord of everything."

3:37 But if He's not with us, He doesn't want us.

3:39 He wants Baháʼu'lláh to be with us.

3:41 Yes!

3:44 That's why I offer my heart to you, because I love you.

3:48 They were very far from the path of God.

3:56 And for example, the Quran tells of a community to which God sent two messengers,

4:01 but they disbelieved them, so He reinforced them with a third, and these three messengers of God spoke to them.

4:08 But these people don't want it.

4:11 This point is related to Arabism.

4:16 The Baha'is never entirely rejected the Quran.

4:22 It is also a holy word.

4:26 However, they invented a lot of superstitions.

4:28 They take a verse and alter it.

4:34 Even that is very bad.

4:35 Because they are using their own ego, they are using their head, not using their brain.

4:42 But instead of doing it for God's sake, they do it to make a name for themselves.

4:48 But in this case, this woman, she was 17 or 18 years old.

4:52 If I had to give this man a name, I would give it to him.

4:55 I mean, from a numerical point of view, it wouldn't fly at all.

4:58 But, what is your view?

5:01 What is your view?

5:02 What is your view?

5:03 Tell me, tell me, tell me.

5:09 Say, Muhammad is from Algeria.

5:12 He goes to the university.

5:14 I was in Algeria.

5:18 No, Algeria.

5:19 Yes, I was in Algeria.

5:21 In 1977.

5:23 1977.

5:26 Very nice.

5:26 A little bit tricky over there.

5:29 Like that?

5:29 Yeah.

5:32 Is that for...

5:34 For a piece of gem?

5:35 For a piece of gem.

5:36 So did you like it?

5:38 Very nice, yes.

5:41 Some people were nice to me.

5:43 Others were not nice.

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5:53 But they gave me a car, and a hotel downtown,

6:13 but they would not allow me to go to a mosque down there.

6:16 So, I refused the car, I refused the hotel, and I went to sleep in the room of the consulate.

6:22 Were they willing to see the...

6:25 They'll be there.

6:26 They'll be there.

6:27 ...about the...

6:31 But you know in the...

6:33 They didn't talk about it. They don't talk about it anymore.

6:37 About the... I don't know.

6:41 In Algeria, you don't say about the...

6:46 I started to hear about him more here than in Algeria.

6:49 So you wrote a book about him?

6:51 I wrote a book.

6:53 I was into his thoughts on the 20th century.

6:56 And I wrote about him.

6:58 In fact, I keep quoting one of his quotes.

7:02 Ism, then Islam.

7:04 I don't know anything about him.

7:08 Did you have some cassettes of him?

7:10 No, I don't have any.

7:12 That's something that I had in some way or another.

7:14 I think I can bring the file to the place.

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7:28 And then I talked to him, and he liked it. And I talked to him, and he said,

7:36 "I'm really worried."

7:43 Then when I came here, I talked with him for one year. Then I wasn't in touch with him for a while.

7:49 One time, news was coming out.

7:50 He was going to appoint a science advisor for two years.

7:55 Okay.

7:56 He was a cabinet advisor.

7:57 Science advisor for two years.

7:59 Then he joined the fabrications.

8:02 Could I borrow this for him and get a copy of it?

8:05 Of course.

8:06 It's not just any kind of book.

8:08 It's yours.

8:10 I'm trying to get him to read my journal.

8:12 He cannot be reached.

8:13 Oh, so I'm wasting my time.

8:16 You have another chance.

8:18 We have a friend in common who knows him, don't we?

8:22 Yeah, we have a friend in common.

8:26 What do you think of him?

8:29 He is an addict, I think.

8:31 He is now trapped by his kith and kin.

8:37 He is addicted, isn't he?

8:39 What position does he have?

8:42 I don't think so.

8:45 He has this habit that he inherited from his father; he prays five times a day and he doesn't know what he's saying.

8:51 He doesn't know how to apply it.

8:56 Not only that, I had further reason. He had this statement written on billboards,

9:08 He had a statement on the billboard throughout the country, and then after making it the

9:20 motto of the nation, he puts it in the official papers of the country, the government papers,

9:26 everything throughout the country.

9:27 And then he discovered it was not a hadith.

9:29 He looked into a thousand hadith a day.

9:31 Fifteen hundred hadith a day.

9:33 Fifteen hundred hadith a day.

9:35 And then he discovered it was not a hadith,

9:37 because I told him.

9:38 I had a dream about him, and in it

9:40 it was said, "Beware of the path

9:43 that you're going on."

9:49 After this,

9:51 he told his advisor, he said,

9:52 "Who said this is a hadith?"

9:55 Then he studied about hadith.

9:59 And then he said, "Maybe you made a disciple out of him at that point."

10:03 Well, he was, but he's not there anymore.

10:06 You made a disciple out of him at the first point, too.

10:09 There was a time when you didn't give a cent for him.

10:11 Yeah.

10:12 But then you made a discovery about him.

10:14 I mean, for some of us, it's just what's coming from the outside.

10:16 This was the beginning right here. I wrote an article here.

10:19 But you know, he's trying to change the context.

10:24 Which one?

10:24 It's all about the beginning.

10:26 It's about the beginning of corruption.

10:27 Change Quran.

10:30 Qadhafi?

10:31 Yeah, he's trying to make some change.

10:34 He said, don't say,

10:37 don't say

10:38 'Qul'.

10:50 Yeah, that's more academic.

10:53 Yeah.

10:54 Well, that's a common thing.

10:55 But they capitalize on it, his enemies.

10:57 No, I've heard that before.

10:59 Yeah, but really, he doesn't want to send us.

11:01 He has no intention of sending us.

11:03 So, you see, this is why, when I hear bad things about all these leaders in the Middle

11:07 East, I wonder how much of it is propaganda.

11:09 A lot of it.

11:10 You know, because the propaganda machines are very active.

11:13 And we get things here sifted through from many sources.

11:18 And you can only judge them in the end.

11:20 History will judge them by their writings and by what they've done.

11:24 So I'm not going to be so fast as Douglas. So what I hear, you know,

11:28 about Qadhafi, some people say you can't buy vegetables now in Libya.

11:31 And then, you know, I've heard other stuff.

11:36 And I'm going to reserve my judgment about Qadhafi until I have studied more

11:40 of what he's read and written and investigated.

11:44 And I've been very attracted to what he's written.

11:47 He developed a systems theory, a methodology that he calls his general approach to Islam.

11:53 He wanted to think on many levels.

11:55 I think it was very easy.

11:58 That's the point.

11:59 Because he's a military person.

12:01 I'm not a political person.

12:03 I would like to listen.

12:06 His writings are really easy.

12:08 Thank you.

12:10 He's good.

12:12 I haven't been there yet.

12:14 Not with my...